Stop Randall Road Robbery Supporters Reply to Claim They Are Not Highway Engineers

Randall Road on Tuesday, June 24, 2014, about noon.

Randall Road about noon from the edge of Lake in the Hills (on the east side of the road) on Tuesday, June 24, 2014,.

First from critic “I can’t believe it”:

If you are a regular user of Randall Road you will know this Stop Randall Road Robbery Campaign is a huge joke.

Does the campaign really know anything about traffic control?

I doubt if any of them actually have any technical training on the subject of roadway design.

Route 14 work between Crystal Lake and Woodstock is more of a waste of money.

Just put in a few turn lanes to existing roadways and call it complete.

The traffic light at Randall and Algonquin Roads was in blinking red mode.

The traffic light at Randall and Algonquin Roads was in blinking red mode.

Next from Susan, who was helping staff the Woodstock Square tent Sunday afternoon:

It is true that objectors to the proposed waste of tax money on Randall Road project are (probably, can’t speak for all of them) not technically trained in the subject of road design.

Neither are voting members of the County Board.

Board Members are given a pitch by proponents of some project which will cost taxpayers’ money, and it is up to Board Members to perform research.

Is the project is indeed necessary, is the cost is too great even if the project may be desirable, and are proponents of project pitching a budget which is reasonable in relation to cost of other such projects undertaken elsewhere in the country?

It is easy nowadays for citizens to research many aspects of road construction online.

For example, proponents claims of growing population in this County were easily proven to be factually inaccurate, by checking the US Census.

ARTBA.org (American Road And Transportation Builders Association) is a good source for information including average costs to build one mile of various sorts of roads.

The opponents to Randall Road project are objecting on basis of its cost multiple related to that national average cost, and cost related to lack of need.

Every taxpaying citizen has a stake in this, and if taxpayers do not speak up, the only information given to voting Board Members will be information favorable to project proponents.

Randall Road heading toward Crystal Lake through Lake in the Hills.

Randall Road heading toward Crystal Lake through Lake in the Hills.

Finally, from Steve Willson:

Dear “I Can’t Believe It”:

I’m not a traffic engineer, but I’ve been a municipal finance analyst for 35+ years. In that time, I have reviewed literally several billion dollars worth of toll road financings. So when McHenry County said they wanted to spend upwards of $135 million to “fix” 3.5 miles of Randall Road, my ears pricked up.

So I looked at the County’s plans and spoke at length with the head of McDOT. Turns out the County wants to spend $13 million to put in a Continuous Flow Intersection (“CFI”) at Randall and Algonquin.

So I called the traffic engineers on the last several CFIs that have been built. They all said it should cost between $3 million and $5 million. One said to me, and I quote, “Well, maybe $6 million if you have to buy the land.” They all also said, unanimously, that a CFI is a bad choice for a commercial area. Oh, there are also concerns about getting emergency vehicles through a CFI, but the County never asked the local fire departments for their input.

Strike one.

But hidden behind the CFI plan was a plan to spend another $122 million to expand Randall Road, including frontage roads. Now the parking lots along Randall Road were designed to accommodate the traffic they have. That is a basic principle of commercial design, and I’ve also helped to finance a lot of shopping malls. The parking lots are also laid out so you can go from one mall to another without having to go up to Randall Road. That’s a basic principle of urban planning.

In other words, frontage roads are superfluous.

Strike two.

And the cost is $35 million per mile. The American Road & Transportation Builders Association says the average cost for the work the County wants to do is around $9 million per mile.

Strike three.

Next I looked at the County’s justification for the project, which is a projection by the Chicago Metropolitan Agency for Planning (“CMAP”).

They project the County is suddenly going to start growing like its the 1980s again, even though we haven’t seen that kind of growth in 25 years and even though that is three times the rate predicted by the Census Bureau.

Every projection made by CMAP and its predecessor, NIPC, has been wildly optimistic.

Shortly after CMAP’s projections came out, the Census Bureau released the 2010 numbers showing CMAP’s 2010 projection was way off, and that population in McHenry County was actually declining. So CMAP changed their projections: they plugged the 2010 number into their model without making any other adjustments. In other words, they still project population growth at more than three times the national average, just with a somewhat lower starting number.

Strike four?

Then I looked at the County’s own traffic counts for that corridor of Randall Road. In 2003, the traffic count was 35,000 to 39,300 vehicles per day. In 2013, the traffic count was 34,972 to 38,650 vehicles per day. In other words, traffic volume actually was flat to declining over this period.

Strike five?

Finally, I asked how much analysis was done concerning the economic impact of this project on local businesses during and after construction. I was told by the County’s head engineer, “None. We’re highway engineers. We don’t do economic analysis.” Very reasonable. Except NOBODY at the County did ANY analysis, and several business owners along Randall are complaining bitterly about the likely impact. Lake in the Hills has also complained to the County, passing resolutions opposing the plan.

Strike six?

So, based on these facts, which is the more logical choice:

(a) wait a couple of years and see if new evidence emerges that shows a sudden surge in traffic; or

(b) spend $135 million of the taxpayers’ money right now?

In other words, how many strikes does the County get?


Comments

Stop Randall Road Robbery Supporters Reply to Claim They Are Not Highway Engineers — 9 Comments

  1. Really good assessment of the financials.

    Steve Wilson has made the project transparent.

    Gosh Steve, what do you know, your nothing but a taxpayer?… lol…

    Just kidding…

    The county has met it’s match with Steve Wilson…

    Stay with us Steve, the people need you in the crusade against overspending and corruption.

    In fact, the crusaders just might make you one of our leaders.

    Be careful though, as the Regime might send you an invitation to attend one of those special editions of those famous Tv shows “Let’s Make a Deal” because “The Price is Right”

    Get this, while you are there, they may even offer you some of that over buttered popcorn…

    Don’t let them fool you though, before you know it Andy Zinke will have you digging holes.

    Thanks Steve, nice to know you are one of our hard working taxpayers, taking time out of your busy day to post the truth…

  2. Gosh Steve,

    Drive South on Randall Road from Crystal Lake a few weekends and then point out again everything in your comments that solves anything.

    If you want to look at only costs that’s great, but give us your detailed final design that will solve that areas traffic problems.

    And yes… there are really some now!

    On the weekend for sure it’s not uncommon to stop at about Ackman Rd. and continue south on heavy traffic until you get through the Randall Road and Alqonquin Road intersection.

  3. I live in Woodstock, and we tolerate heavy traffic on Rte. 47 at certain times of day; we do not expect ideal circumstances 100% of the time. Traffic problems exist everywhere.

    The issue at hand is how much to demand of other peoples’ money be spent to address ‘problems’.

    The first step is to quantify ‘problem’.

    Would you please quantify the times of day, and amounts of travel time impacted per incident?

    If large portions of a day, every day, a significant portion of County residents are severely impacted, perhaps the analysis of this huge County budget expenditure would change.

    (However I cannot agree to paying multiples of the national average price for similar projects, unless some rational justification is presented).

    High property taxes have frayed all of our nerves.

    We citizens would be best off if we work together, understanding the needs of one another.

    From my point of view, I want to reduce property taxes.

    In Seneca Township, School District 200, we pay 3.67% of our home value in taxes.

    That depresses our home values even further.

    The extra spending on projects like Randall Road will have a severe impact on many humans here, as taxes rise yet again, and home values sink further as a result.

    So we may ask: what tax rate is acceptable for all citizens of McHenry County to pay such that (X) number of citizens in (Algonquin, LITH, and more?) might save (Y) minutes per day during (rush hour? other times as well?); while factoring in that citizens in other parts of McHenry County tolerate (similar? less? more?)delays for traffic during similar periods commonly endured by commuters all over America?

    Given the data we can plug in the numbers and determine relative values.

    Is there a number that is too much to ask from your fellow citizens in return for providing a convenience?

    What is going to happen in this community when the topic at issue is not a convenience but a necessity?

    Can we find a way to make these discretionary budgetary choices which does not involve demanding extreme sacrifice from our neighbors?

  4. Email Steve’s letter to your county board member asking for a response to each point.

    Attend a county board meeting and make a public comment, submitting submit Steve’s document to each board member at the meeting.

    Randall Road does get very busy during rush hour and peak weekend hours.

    Not many alternate routes nearby, such as a 2 lane road with few stops or 4 lane + north / south roads (2 lanes each way).

    What happens too often in Illinois government is there is an overly expensive solution to a legitimate problem.

    What is the average per mile road cost in other nearby metro areas, such as Indianapolis, Milwaukee, Detroit, St. Louis, and Minneapolis?

    No doubt organized labor is working behind the scenes to make this project happen.

    Nothing wrong with organized labor but Average Joe taxpayer doesn’t have unlimited funds to prevent the proverbial “race to the bottom” line which is getting a bit old.

    Pay more taxes to prevent a race to the bottom.

    OK…..

  5. Dear “I Can’t Believe It”

    You contribute nothing positive to the discussion. You carp at the edges without evidence or reasoning.

    I did NOT look only at the costs, I looked at the costs relative to value and relative to what other governments pay.

    Further, since I am not an engineer I solicited the input of several engineers, in particular those who were involved in the last few CFIs built around the country.

    Most important, I looked at the County’s own justification for the project, which is a really wacky population projection.

    Allow me to summarize the County’s position:

    * Big Population Growth in the Future = Reason for Project.

    That’s it.

    Period.

    Their entire justification is a projection of future population growth.

    But we know full well now that the County’s population peaked around 2007 or 2008 and has been decreasing for several years.

    So there is no justification for the project using the County’s own reasoning.

    Beyond that, I examined the County’s own traffic numbers which show ZERO increase in traffic on that segment of Randall Road between 2003 and 2013.

    Zero!

    Finally, yes, I have driven Randall Road.

    I’ve lived out here since 1989, when Randall was a two lane back country road.

    I think something needs to be done about the Randall/Algonquin intersection.

    I think the CFI is a bad idea.

    I would suggest putting in a second left turn lane since that is the ONLY intersection along that stretch of road that doesn’t have dual left turn lanes.

    But as for the rest of the project, the part on which the County plans to spend 90% of the proposed budget, I see no justification.

    Yes, sometimes traffic is a bit heavy.

    But not enough to justify a massive project such as this, especially given the cost in jobs and sales tax revenue.

    So, “I Can’t Believe It”, tell me what’s wrong with my facts.

    Tell me what’s wrong with my reasoning.

    And, please, let’s see some facts and some reasoning from you.

    Time to put up or shut up.

  6. The government should respond to Willson’s points.
    He’s probably done more research on the issue than most of the board members.

  7. Well Mr Wilson,

    You win, hands down!

    There is no point in wondering why someone would be opposed to major improvements to Randall Road now instead of waiting years.

    I know exactly what you mean when you say “I’ve lived out here since 1989, when Randall was a two lane back country road”.

    I can relate to that statement because I’ve lived here since 1953.

    Money isn’t everything, try to keep that in mind.

    Doing less than what is needed can eventually cost more money, making developers happy to obtain more tax dollars, and also doing things cheaply could have given us what we have today.

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