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Appellate Court Dumps Illinois Gun Control, Puts Issue Squarely in Sites of Next General Assembly

December 11, 2012 By: Cal Skinner Category: Chicago, Chicago Police, Concealed Carry, Gun Control, Illinois, John Lott, More Guns Less Crime, Second Amendment

Read the decision if you are really interested.

This decision comes with the backdrop of Chicago Police being incapable to stop people from getting shot on the street.

Here are some snippets:

“Even carrying an unloaded gun in public, if it’s uncased and immediately accessible, is prohibited, other than to police and other excepted persons, unless carried openly outside a vehicle in an unincorporated area and ammunition for the gun is not immediately accessible. 720 ILCS 5/24-1(a)(4)(iii), (10)(iii), -1.6(a)(3)(B).” (Page 2)

“But the Supreme Court has not yet addressed the question whether the Second Amendment creates a right of self-defense outside the home.” (Page 2)

“Nor can we ignore the implication of the analysis that the constitutional right of armed selfdefense is broader than the right to have a gun in one’s home.” (Page 4)

Heller explored the right’s origins, noting that the 1689 English Bill of Rights explicitly protected a right to keep arms for self-defense, 554 U.S. at 593, and that by 1765, Blackstone was able to assert that the right to keep and bear arms was ‘one of the fundamental rights of Englishmen,’ id. at 594.” 130 S. Ct. at 3037. And immediately the Court adds that ‘Blackstone’s assessment was shared by the American colonists.’” (Page 4)

“The Second Amendment states in its entirety that ‘a well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed’ (emphasis added). The right to ‘bear’ as distinct from the right to ‘keep’ arms is unlikely to refer to the home.” (Page 5)

“And one doesn’t have to be a historian to realize that a right to keep and bear arms for personal self-defense in the eighteenth century could not rationally have been limited to the home.” (Page 5)

“Twenty-first century Illinois has no hostile Indians. But a Chicagoan is a good deal more likely to be attacked on a sidewalk in a rough neighborhood than in his apartment on the 35th floor of the Park Tower. A woman who is being stalked or has obtained a protective order against a violent ex-husband is more vulnerable to being attacked while walking to or from her home than when inside. She has a stronger self-defense claim to be allowed to carry a gun in public than the resident of a fancy apartment building (complete with doorman) has a claim to sleep with a loaded gun under her mattress. But Illinois wants to deny the former claim, while compelled by McDonald to honor the latter. That creates an arbitrary difference.” (Page 8)

“A gun is a potential danger to more people if carried in public than just kept in the home. But the other side of this coin is that knowing that many law-abiding citizens are walking the streets armed may make criminals timid. Given that in Chicago, at least, most murders occur outside the home, Chicago Police Dep’t, Crime at a Glance: District 1 13 (Jan.–June 2010), the net effect on crime rates in general and murder rates in particular of allowing the carriage of guns in public is uncertain both as a matter of theory and empirically.” (Page 8)

“Concealed carriage of guns might increase the death rate from assaults rather than increase the number of assaults. But the studies don’t find that laws that allow concealed carriage increase the death rate from shootings, and this in turn casts doubt on the finding of an increased crime rate when concealed carriage is allowed; for if there were more confrontations with an armed criminal, one would expect more shootings. Moreover, there is no reason to expect Illinois to impose minimal permit restrictions on carriage of guns outside the home, for obviously this is not a state that has a strong pro-gun culture, unlike the states that began allowing concealed carriage before Heller and MacDonald enlarged the scope of Second Amendment rights.” (Page 12)

“Charles C. Branas et al., “Investigating the Link Between Gun Possession and Gun Assault,” 99 Am. J. of Pub. Health 2034, 2037 (2009), finds that assault victims are more likely to be armed than the rest Nos. 12-1269, 12-1788 13 of the population is, which might be thought evidence that going armed is not effective self-defense. But that finding does not illuminate the deterrent effect of knowing that potential victims may be armed.” (Pages 12 + 13)

“David Hemenway & Deborah Azrael, “The Relative Frequency of Offensive and Defensive Gun Uses: Results from a National Survey,” 15 Violence & Victims 257, 271 (2000), finds that a person carrying a gun is more likely to use it to commit a crime than to defend himself from criminals. But that is like saying that soldiers are more likely to be armed than civilians.” (Page 13)

“In sum, the empirical literature on the effects of allowing the carriage of guns in public fails to establish a pragmatic defense of the Illinois law…Anyway the Supreme Court made clear in Heller that it wasn’t going to make the right to bear arms depend on casualty counts.” (Page 13)

“Illinois has not made that strong showing—and it would have to make a stronger showing in this case than the government did in Skoien, because the curtailment of gun rights was much narrower: there the gun rights of persons convicted of domestic violence, here the gun rights of the entire lawabiding adult population of Illinois.” (Page 14)

“A blanket prohibition on carrying gun in public prevents a person from defending himself anywhere except inside his home; and so substantial a curtailment of the right of armed self-defense requires a greater showing of justification than merely that the public might benefit on balance from such a curtailment, though there is no proof it would.” (Page 14)

“Illinois has lots of options for protecting its people from being shot without having to eliminate all possibility of armed self-defense in public.” (page 15)

“Remarkably, Illinois is the only state that maintains a flat ban on carrying ready-to-use guns outside the home, though many states used to ban carrying concealed guns outside the home…Not even Massachusetts has so flat a ban as Illinois, though the District of Columbia does…” (Page 15)

“It is not that all states but Illinois are indifferent to the dangers that widespread public carrying of guns 16 Nos. 12-1269, 12-1788 may pose. Some may be. But others have decided that a proper balance between the interest in self-defense and the dangers created by carrying guns in public is to limit the right to carry a gun to responsible persons rather than to ban public carriage altogether, as Illinois with its meager exceptions comes close to doing. Even jurisdictions like New York State, where officials have broad discretion to deny applications for gun permits, recognize that the interest in self-defense extends outside the home. There is no suggestion that some unique characteristic of criminal activity in Illinois justifies the state’s taking a different approach from the other 49 states. If the Illinois approach were demonstrably superior, one would expect at least one or two other states to have emulated it.” (Pages 15 + 16)

“If enough private institutions decided to do that [ban guns from their premises], the right to carry a gun in public would have much less value and might rarely be exercised—in which event the invalidation of the Illinois law might have little effect, which opponents of gun rights would welcome.” (Page 17)

“Recently the Second Circuit upheld a New York state law that requires an applicant for a permit to carry a concealed handgun in public to demonstrate “proper cause” to obtain a license.” (Page 17)

“…though we need not speculate on the limits that Illinois may in the interest of public safety constitutionally impose on the carrying of guns in public; it is enough that the limits it has imposed go too far.” (Page 19)

“…only legislative facts are relevant to the constitutionality of the Illinois gun law. The key legislative facts in this case are the effects of the Illinois law; the state has failed to show that those effects are positive.” (Page 20)

“The theoretical and empirical evidence (which overall is inconclusive) is consistent with concluding that a right to carry firearms in public may promote self-defense. Illinois had to provide us with more than merely a rational basis for believing that its uniquely sweeping ban is justified by an increase in public safety. It has failed to meet this burden. The Supreme Court’s interpretation of the Second Amendment therefore compels us to reverse the decisions in the two cases before us and remand them to their respective district courts for the entry of declarations of unconstitutionality and permanent injunctions.

“Nevertheless we order our mandate stayed for 180 days [June 9, 22013] to allow the Illinois legislature to craft a new gun law that will impose reasonable limitations, consistent with the public safety and the Second Amendment as interpreted in this opinion, on the carrying of guns in public.” (Pages 20 + 21)

Justice Williams filed at 25-page dissent.

“You Don’t Know Jack!” – Joe Rosner Cites Where Jack Franks Violates Second Amendment

September 20, 2012 By: Cal Skinner Category: Constitution, Gun Control, Gun Owners, Jack Franks, Joe Rosner, Second Amendment

Joe Rosner

The image of Jack Franks on Joe Rosner’s web site.

You Don’t Know Jack!State Rep. write-in candidate Joe Rosner has a page on his web sitethat lists the violations of the United States Constitution which he believes incumbent Democrat Jack Franks, an attorney, has violated.

His Second Amendment observation is reproduced below:

You Don’t Know Jack!

Constitution Edition

Think you know Jack? Here are Jack Franks’ actions and positions on YOUR Constitutional Rights:

The Second Amendment clearly states, “the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

After 12 years of Jack Franks, Illinois is the only state in this nation that denies its citizens the right to keep and bear arms.

Rep. Franks has served 6 terms without ever proposing any pro 2nd Amendment legislation. In an example of political gamesmanship, Rep. Franks waited for four full months to come out in support of the Family and Personal Protection Act, which would let county sheriffs issue concealed carry permits for firearms.

Only when the Madigan-Emanuel anti-gun cabal saw that there were not going to be enough votes for passage did he scurry for political cover and vote for the bill.

Joe Rosner believes self-defense is a basic human right. He will propose and support concealed carry legislation.

Since the political reality is concealed carry may take years to pass, he will propose legislation clarifying existing law to specify that hip sacks, fanny packs and similar purpose-built cases be considered a “case, firearm carrying box, or other container.”

This will then allow persons who have been issued a valid FOID card to transport a firearm anywhere in their vehicle or on their person as long as the firearm is unloaded and enclosed in a case, firearm carrying box, shipping box, or other container. This is a stopgap measure until a real concealed carry bill is passed.

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More tomorrow.

Ken Koehler Sends Out 2nd Amendment Piece

March 16, 2012 By: Cal Skinner Category: Friends of NRA, Ken Koehler, McHenry County Board., Monica Young, Rich Young, Second Amendment

Here’s the post card that McHenry County Board Chairman sent out to some of his District 2 constituents:

The address side of Ken Koehler's Second Amendment mailing quotes the Constitution.

The flip side of the Second Amendment post card contains a letter of endorsement from Rich and Monica Young, the couple who run the Friends of NRA dinner each fall.

Huntley Tea Party Plans Tuesday Forum on 2nd Amendment & Concealed Carry

September 26, 2011 By: Cal Skinner Category: Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, Concealed Carry, Gun Control, Gun Owners Rights, Huntley Area TEA Party, Illinois State Rifle Association, Mike Tryon, Second Amendment

Here’s the press release with the details:

Public Forum on the 2nd Amendment and Conceal Carry

The Huntley Area Tea Party will present a Public Forum on Tuesday September 27th on the Subject of the 2nd Amendment and the Right of Citizens to Conceal Carry. This will be held in the Willow Room at the Cosman Cultural Center in Huntley Illinois starting at 6:30pm.
Featured Panel members will be:

  • State Representative Mike Tryon (co-sponsor) of the bill to enable Conceal Carry in Illinois
  • A Representative from the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence
  • A Representative from the Illinois State Rifle Association (ISRA)

Each panel member will present their views on these issues along with specific reasons and facts supporting their views. The panel will then take questions from the audience.

By presenting both sides of this controversial issue we hope to provide the public with factual information and stimulate meaningful and respectful discussion.

Part of the audience at the 2010 Huntley Tea Party candidates' night.

The Cosman Cultural Center is located 12015 Mill Street in Huntley, Illinois 60142

Skeet Shooting and Breakfast for High Rolling Joe Walsh Supporters

September 03, 2011 By: Cal Skinner Category: Joe Walsh, Max McGraw Wildlife Foundation, McGraw Wildlife Foundation, Second Amendment, Shooting, Shooting Range, Skeet Shooting

Supporters of the Second Amendment are especially invited to the Max McGraw Wildlife Foundation for skeet shooting with Congressman Joe Walsh followed by breakfast.

As you can see from the invitation below, the price is steep–$250 for breakfast and $1,000 for skeet shooting, plus breakfast.

The date is September 18th, a Sunday.

Hosts are Mike Miller, Ed Tolle and Mike Ward.

Get Concealed Carry Permit on Bus to Illinois Gun Owner Lobby Day March 10th

January 28, 2011 By: Cal Skinner Category: Concealed Carry, Gun, Gun Control, Guns Save Lives, Illinois State Rifle Association, Sangamon County Rifle Assoc., Second Amendment

Gun owners are planning ahead for the March 10th lobby day in Springfield.

Click to enlarge.

A bus, costing $35, will go from the Fox Lake Police Department, leaving at 6 AM.

This is a bus ride that could be different from any other that you have taken.

A Utah Conceal Weapons Permit instructor will teach the Utah Concealed Carry Weapon Permit on the bus for an additional fee of $65.  The course would be completed on the ride down.

So for $100, a person can get to Springfield and tell one’s legislators that he or she has just finished qualifying for a Utah Concealed Carry permit, pointing out that a whole lot of states recognize it and asking if the legislator wouldn’t like to help make Illinois safer by passing a reciprocity law here.

The contact information is mike@anywhereccw.com or 815-534-GUNS (4867).

Provenzano Concentrates on Concealed Carry and Endorsements in District 3 Mailing

January 29, 2010 By: Cal Skinner Category: Concealed Carry, McHenry County Board., Nick Provenzano, Second Amendment

I was out and about today, so didn’t have a lot of processing time for political mailings.

Here’s a taste, though. It’s the most recent pamphlet sent out by Nick Provenzano, who is trying to regain the seat he lost to Democrat Kathy Bergan Schmidt in 2008.

The address side shows the size of the crowd at the Lakemoor Banquet Hall of the Operating Engineers Local 150 and says,

“…enough is enough…we want our constitutional right to carry…right here in McHenry County.”

There’s also a quote from the Northwest Herald’s endorsement:

“Provenzano has proved to be a fiscal conservative who has the taxpayer’s interest at heart.”

The back points out he also endorsed by the Daily Herald, the McHenry County Sportsman’s Association, the McHenry County Right to Carry Association and Richard and Monica Young, “2nd Amendment Activists.”

I can’t tell who this mailing was sent to. It looks like one that would be tailored to those in favor of Second Amendment Rights.

Guns in Chicago – Liberal Sun-Times Columnist Flips

October 02, 2009 By: Cal Skinner Category: Richard Roeper, Second Amendment

Chicago Sun-Times reporter Richard Roeper buried a change of position that can’t be pleasing to the liberals he usually courts.

He is now in favor of Chicago residents being able to own guns.

His conversion is hidden below a headline about the Fenger Academy High School video, but it’s there.  To help him spread the work, I re-typed what you can read above (click to enlarge).

The right to bear arms

If there were no guys in Chicago, I’d be adamantly in favor of keeping it that way.

But, as we all know, that ain’t ever happening.  Hundreds and hundreds of bad guys are armed to the teeth.

I supposed one or two otherwise law-abiding citizens of our great city keep a guy in the house as well.  They know it’s a crime, but nobody’s going to tell them they don’t have the right to defend themselves.

Now here’s where I’m supposed to take the liberal stance and cite anecdotal evidence about gun owners who accidentally shoot themselves or a family member in the dark of night.

But you know what? Seeing as how all those bad guys have guns and we’ve never going to be able to separate them from their weaponry, I say if you live in Chicago and want to buy a guy for protection, you should have that right.

We can debate from now until forever the meaning of the Second Amendment and that whole “well-regulated militia” deal, but the reality in 2009 is we have a criminal element with ready and easy access to everything from Glocks to .357s to 9mm semi-automatics.  If you feel you need a guy to protect your home and your family, you should be able to do so.

The same day, the Chicago Tribune editorial, complete with picture of a handgun appeared.  It expresses support of the present city ban on handguns, now under the threat of U.S. Supreme Court action.

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You can find what the Illinois Republican Party says on the subject here.

Gun Owners Rights Enter Chicago Area

April 17, 2008 By: Cal Skinner Category: Gun Owners Rights, McHenry County Board., Nick Provenzano, Second Amendment

McHenry County Board member Nick Provenzano brought gun owners’ rights to the Chicago metropolitan area Tuesday night.

I thought you might like to read what he told the McHenry County Board:

“This resolution is sweeping through Illinois… since I first became aware of this resolution, just nine months ago, from approval in 17 counties to today with 74 counties approving and 4 pending passage.

“I would like to remind my colleagues that we each to an oath of office and solemnly swore we would support and defend the constitution of the United States and the state of Illinois…

“So let me read from the US Constitution:

‘A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.’

And the Illinois Constitution reads:

‘Subject only to the police power, the right of the individual citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.’

I would also like to quote a few of our founding fathers:

President Abraham Lincoln wrote:
‘Don’t interfere with anything in the constitution. That must be maintained, for it is the only safeguard of our liberties.’

And President George Washington wrote:

‘The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference – they deserve a place of honor with all that’s good.’

“I ask my colleagues, which one of you will stand here tonight and vote against the constitution that you swore an oath to support and defend. If today they come for the 2nd amendment, which one will they come for tomorrow?”

The vote was 23-0. Mary Lou Zierer was absent.

A vote on the resolution was scheduled for right after the murders at Northern Illinois University, but postpone at that time.

75 out of 102 Illinois counties have passed the resolution. The Northwest Herald’s David Fitzgerald reports the counties of Rock Island, Madison, Stark, Champaign and Douglas have rejected the resolution.

I asked the McHenry County Sportsmen’s Association for a report and its web master sent me the following:

There was a litte discussion from Board Member Kennedy and Salgado, but that was more over concerns that other interest groups would try to have the board vote in favor of their agendas…

I’ll also be following up with a post to the MCSA blog – http://www.mcsa56.org

Also, I’d like to extend an invitation to you to check us out – we meet at 7:30 PM the 3rd Wednesday of every month at the McHenry VFW.

We are meeting tomorrow, but that might be a bit short notice…The club has aspirations of doing things like the Appleseed shoot, NRA certification training, etc… I’ll be honest, the meetings can be a bit, uh, “slow”, but it’s a start… At least the VFW has beer…

Regards,
Les K – MCSA webmaster.

The story was carried on WBBM radio this morning.

Think it will help keep robbers out of McHenry County?

Gun Owners Rights Enter Chicago Area

April 17, 2008 By: Cal Skinner Category: Gun Owners Rights, McHenry County Board., Nick Provenzano, Second Amendment

McHenry County Board member Nick Provenzano brought gun owners’ rights to the Chicago metropolitan area Tuesday night.

I thought you might like to read what he told the McHenry County Board:

“This resolution is sweeping through Illinois… since I first became aware of this resolution, just nine months ago, from approval in 17 counties to today with 74 counties approving and 4 pending passage.

“I would like to remind my colleagues that we each to an oath of office and solemnly swore we would support and defend the constitution of the United States and the state of Illinois…

“So let me read from the US Constitution:

‘A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.’

And the Illinois Constitution reads:

‘Subject only to the police power, the right of the individual citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.’

I would also like to quote a few of our founding fathers:

President Abraham Lincoln wrote:
‘Don’t interfere with anything in the constitution. That must be maintained, for it is the only safeguard of our liberties.’

And President George Washington wrote:

‘The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference – they deserve a place of honor with all that’s good.’

“I ask my colleagues, which one of you will stand here tonight and vote against the constitution that you swore an oath to support and defend. If today they come for the 2nd amendment, which one will they come for tomorrow?”

The vote was 23-0. Mary Lou Zierer was absent.

A vote on the resolution was scheduled for right after the murders at Northern Illinois University, but postpone at that time.

75 out of 102 Illinois counties have passed the resolution. The Northwest Herald’s David Fitzgerald reports the counties of Rock Island, Madison, Stark, Champaign and Douglas have rejected the resolution.

I asked the McHenry County Sportsmen’s Association for a report and its web master sent me the following:

There was a litte discussion from Board Member Kennedy and Salgado, but that was more over concerns that other interest groups would try to have the board vote in favor of their agendas…

I’ll also be following up with a post to the MCSA blog – http://www.mcsa56.org

Also, I’d like to extend an invitation to you to check us out – we meet at 7:30 PM the 3rd Wednesday of every month at the McHenry VFW.

We are meeting tomorrow, but that might be a bit short notice…The club has aspirations of doing things like the Appleseed shoot, NRA certification training, etc… I’ll be honest, the meetings can be a bit, uh, “slow”, but it’s a start… At least the VFW has beer…

Regards,
Les K – MCSA webmaster.

The story was carried on WBBM radio this morning.

Think it will help keep robbers out of McHenry County?