Much has been made on an endorsement of Andy Zinke by a former Des Plaines Police Chief.
Today, former Des Plaines Police Commander Bill Prim rolls out endorsements from two former Police Chiefs, plus two Deputy Chiefs, plus retired Federal agents in the press release below:
FORMER DES PLAINES POLICE CHIEFS, DEPUTY CHIEFS AND FEDERAL SPECIAL AGENTS ENDORSE BILL PRIM FOR SHERIFF
Bill Prim
Two former Police Chiefs and two former Deputy Chiefs from the City of Des Plaines, along with two former senior federal agents, have endorsed their colleague Bill Prim in next month’s Republican primary for McHenry County Sheriff, the Prim campaign announced Monday.
Retired Des Plaines Chiefs
- Robert Sturlini and
- James Prandini
gave their vote of confidence to Prim, as did
- former Des Plaines Deputy Chief Bernie Wolter and
- retired Deputy Chief David Hachmeister.
Over his 27-year career at the northwest suburban municipality, Prim had worked for and with all four men.
Also strongly backing Prim were
- Jack O’Malley, who retired from federal service as a Senior Supervisory Agent, and
- Chuck Hiscock, a former Senior Special Agent and former Director of CABINET (Combined Agency Border Intelligence Network).
CABINET is an international intelligence organization where Prim served as state and local law enforcement coordinator for several years.
Prim worked alongside the last two men in a number of highly successful joint federal/local operations.
“I am honored that men of such very high caliber in my profession have voiced their support of me and my candidacy,” Prim said.
“As McHenry County Sheriff I am confident I will justify their confidence in me.”
All of the current police chiefs in the area endorse Zinke.
Nearly all the current sheriff’s bordering McHenry County, minus Lake County’s, who is giving Prim a part time security job, endorse Zinke.
I’m not expecting fair and balanced news from you, Mr. Skinner, but it’s pretty laughable how you time and time again ignore the endorsements for Zinke (minus your small reference to Barb Wheeler weeks ago) and continue toting every minute detail about the Prim campaign as if it were headline news.
How about a side by side comparison of Prim endorsements/credentials to those of Zinkes.
Give the readers of this blog REAL coverage?
I wonder if any retired DEA agents would endorse Zinke?
So, Zinke, Bill Prim calls your DesPlaines police bet, raises you 3 and tosses in a couple of retired Fed endorsements for good measure.
Read them and weep.
Zinke had better get busy with those Honor Role Bumper Stickers, I have A
Honor Role Student at the Sheriffs Department.
I bet Zinke was the top of his class, another reason to mis-spell words.
Who cares if the Police Chiefs support Zinke….
That does not mean that Zinke should be elected…
It proves nothing…
Andy Zinke, is nothing but an embarrassment.
He has proven that over and over again by the way he has conducted his campaign….
He gave the finger, his wife dropped the f bomb, and he had Cal’s blog shut down because of false allegations..
Let’s not forget about the Rita Corporation fiasco, for which Andy Zinke accepts no responsibility…
No one has ever seen Bill Prim participate in any such shenanigans…..
No one has ever seen Andy Zinkes diploma, his transcripts or any proof of a degree.
So far it is just talk..
Just what we need in McHenry County is Cook County influence.
Zinke went to high school here, has worked here for many, many years and is known as a first class guy.
I fully support hiring from within, a known quantity and quality.
“Jim B”
According to the way Zinke has conducted himself during his campaign shows he is no first class guy….
More like a first class Sheriff wannabe.
Quality of what?
Oh, quality side show attraction for the Nygren and Zinke Circus.
Yes.
And, he represents the quantity of shenanigans that will continue if he is voted into office.
Agreed.
We have seen many, many, shenanigans coming from the Zinke camp.
There is no doubt, that the shenanigans will continue if Andy is voted into office…
If Zinke wants to send press releases, I have written several times I will publish them.
I also noted those who were on his Richmond fundraiser Host Committee.
Any police chief who endorses Zinke may be suspect.
It is a fact that Zinke called Rita Corp to give them a ‘heads up’ about a pending raid.
Does this mean that any endorsement of Zinke is tacit approval of an attempt to circumvent the successful activity of another law enforcement agency?
Too many locals OWE the wrong people
Don’t too many locals OWE the “insiders”.
Crystal Lake was smart to get a police chief from Downers Grove.
Anypolice chief I’m this county who supports Zinke is suspect?
Maybe they too don’t find any wrong doing in regards to RITA, as didn’t the DEA.
Support whomever you wish, but get a grip, people.
Face it Prim supporters.
The Feds are not shy about locking up some chief or sheriff if there was wrongdoing.
Brian Goode has good cause to sue these bloggers that continually allow people to accuse him vicariously of smuggling drugs.
If the Feds were upset, they would have spanked Zinke by now.
Of course Duncan McHenry has direct pipeline to the Feds……or so he says.
AZsupporter, you and the Regime should start making those Bumper Stickers . . .
I have an honor roll student in the sheriff’s department.
GulfGuy you might want to help him. LOL
That’s horseshit Cal.
You could subscribe to his press releases and you know it.
There will be full disclosure of the IDPR findings and more… Anyone will be able to print them for their personal use.… If you have a case in McHenry County and these evaluators are on your case..lol..now you will able to remove them from any of your court proceedings…
I don’t subscribe to press releases.
If he wants to send them, he can take the initiative.
Ok, I’ll be a dear and forward them to you from my email. Welcome!
Off topic
Hey Cal
Can you do some FOIA and find out why Michael Welu was pushed out as head of CALEA?
Word on the street is that his replacement is good friends with Andy.
Let’s all be serious, all Cal will do with the press releases is twist it around to be used against Undersheriff Andrew Zinke in some bizarre way to discredit him.
Head of CALEA at the Sheriff’s Department?
Duncan?
IDPR? What’s taht?
OH MY… This James Prandini? Really? Oh this is just the start…
http://americannewspost.com/joseph-fosco/4220/the-des-plaines-prandini-predicament/
Illinois Department of Professional and Financial Regulations.
Illinois Department of Professional Regulation?
What, pray tell, do they have to do with the operation of the Sheriff’s Office, the courthouse, Des Plaines PD, election matters, anything?
Did this suddenly become all about barbers, hair stylists, realtors, plumbers?
You’re making no sense.
Please explain about this other big report that will shed light on all the cockroaches and crooks you claim exist.
Oh I love it. The same guys involved in alleged misconduct are supporting one of their buddies….don’t you Prim supporters vet your sources and look at the baggage in your candidates closet. Scandal plagued DES PLAINES ?
Read some news articles and discover the allegations against DesPlaines and those endorsement supporters of Prim. The allegations he turned his back while this occurred.
Excerpt from butseriously now slink.
– Refraining from disciplining a physically abusive police officer on several occasions
– Instructing and threatened Plaintiff to ‘drop’ investigations related to physical abuse of suspects
– Refraining from investigating if whether a police officer committed perjury more than once
– Attempting to conceal the misconduct of a police officer
– Attempting to cover up or hide ongoing criminal activity
– Failing to investigate drug-related misconduct
– Falsely charging Plaintiff with intent to commit battery (something similar happened to me in Des Plaines, which you will read about later)
– Attempting to coerce Plaintiff from reporting misconduct outside of the department
– Coercing Plaintiff to take an early retirement
– Retaliatory Discharge
– Violating mandates of public policy
– Violating The Illinois Whistleblowers Act
Profession License No License Status Original Issue Date Current Exprtn Ever Disciplined
Psychologist Clinical 071003074 ACTIVE 12/02/1983 09/30/2014
Registered Psychologist 072003074 CANCELLED 12/02/1983 09/30/1990
Sex Offender Evaluator 271000017 ACTIVE 02/11/2014 07/31/2015 N
Has been disciplined “YES” https://www.idfpr.com
Reprimand 01/08/2004 Allegedly breached patient confidentiality, failed to disclose a phone inquiry with a party to a custody hearing which occurred prior to his court appointment to conduct a custody evaluation, and failed to obtain written consent before transferring a pati ent to a psychiatrist.
Fine 01/08/2004 Allegedly breached patient confidentiality, failed to disclose a phone inquiry with a party to a custody hearing which occurred prior to his court appointment to conduct a custody evaluation, and failed to obtain written consent before transferring a pati ent to a psychiatrist.
Another one… Testified for the County in Federal Court to defend civil cases against McHenry County. He was never prosecuted in McHenry County.. Nygren and Pack knew about this case.
Action Discipline
Start Date Discipline
End Date Reason For ActionProbation 01/11/2005 06/19/2008 RESTORED AND PLACED ON INDEFINITE
PROBATION FOR A MINIMUM OF THREE YEARS.
Fine 06/10/2002 Practiced on a suspended license. $5,000 FINE DUE WITHIN 60 DAYS
Suspension 06/10/2002 01/11/2005 Practiced on a suspended license. $5,000 FINE DUE WITHIN 60 DAYS
Suspension 03/29/1999 01/11/2005 Allegedly engaged in an inappropriate relationship with a patient.
Jeeze there Duncan McCrazy…..sounds like you know the IDPR intimately.
Been seeing a shrink lately?
Got a burr in your britches about the psych tests? What you know about psych tests you must have learned in a Dr Suess book?
Keep beating the drum for Prim.
Loud doesn’t make him the right guy.
“GulfGuy” Keep it up and you will find yourself in civil court….
Not seeing a shrink…
You are the one that is crazy, because you are trying to undermine and invalidate the record these two people have at the State level.
They were found guilty…
It is very difficult to get a ruling by the IDPR, because the standard for a finding is set very high..
The one ruling included 3 families and 5 counts against the Psychologist.
Nygren, also uses these two when he fires someone at the Sheriffs Department and then tries to use them against the fired employees in court, at the Federal Level… “FACT'”
So you might want to try putting your mouth where the real evidence is “GulfGuy”
The Illinois Department of Professional and Financial Regulation has investigative teams that travel to various towns in Illinois so they can interview witnesses…
The records speak for itself.
These two so called professionals are used in Court as evaluators in criminal and civil court.
The public has the right to know..
These are good reasons to have these evaluators removed from any pending court case.
“GulfGuy” If you think these records are acceptable, than I believe that you are lacking in the credibility department.
You just turn that finger around and point it at yourself.
I will keep beating the drum for Prim.
He is our greatest hope for change in McHenry County……. March 18, 2014
Zinke keeps bragging about his diploma, yet no one has ever seen a copy of his diploma or transcript…
“GulfGuy” Whatsa matter something got your tongue?..
Bet, it’s Andy…
You have no words for my question about Zinkes diploma…..
If we do not see a response and a copy of the diploma, we can only assume that it does not exist…
Duncan McCrazy is at it again. Since your guy has zero credentials, attack the man that does. Diploma? The only diploma and transcript your guy has is back from high school.
What has he done to improve himself? Nothing. Fact is he still has only a high school diploma and nothing more. Great achievement…NOT.
Oh BTW I can’t slander or libel someone that makes comments from behind the curtain.
I can’t defame an annonymous person.
Even the Great Wizard finally pulled back the curtain exposing himself and went back to Kansas.
I suggest you drop back down into your rabbit hole.
WOW golf guy..Now you sound just like stinky zinke, the mad man..
Please “the facts state”.
Strike one, not Zinke, look at the time stamp, hard to be two places at once, plus the moderator frowns on people blogging from the podium.
BTW at least get if right…..GULF guy.
Now decide if it’s the US Gulf or the Middle East Gulf or somewhere else?
Why do you guys think everyone that supports Zinke is an insider?
Most people, such as myself, get tired of zealots posting out and out mistruths about decent candidates such as Zinke.
I for one like to offer rebuttal to bring the discussion back to facts not hyperbole.
Just got done watching the debate and it was quite interesting. I wanted to share my notes before I forget important details.
To begin, Mr Prim came out attacking Zinke immediately. Bill came off as rather cold and his initial indictments about Rita as well allegations concerning petitions being circulated were never responded to by Zinke. Zinke took the high road and decided to focus his opening statement on what made him qualified.
When asked by he was qualified later in the debate, Mr. Prim didn’t point to any qualifications, rather he decided to say he was qualified because he would be able to ask within the department from other officers what needs to be done and then went on a ramble about cost savings saying that there was a 5,000% increase in budgetting at the Sherriff office, which Zinke later pointed out was primarily related to if an officer wants time to take off for his family (i.e. if an officer had a baby and needed time off.)
There were moments in the debate where the two candidates actually agreed on issues. For example: Both candidates believed that there should not be additional juvenile detention at the sheriff office. As well, they both agreed that social media was a great opportunity to enhance the sheriff’s ability to serve the community. Finally, both candidates agreed that THEY would be better as Sheriff in McHenry County! 😉
All joking aside, Zinke coldly pointed out that Prim overexaggerated how much money he personally brought into his former department by stating that the 9 million dollars was a multi-department operation and to say Prim brought 9 million all in was an insult to other offices. Prim never responded to this point.
Mr. Prim attacked Andy for the ICE contract. Zinke responded that it was the responsibility of the County Board to negotiate this contract – which is true as Kevin Craver pointed out on Twitter. Prim asked for additional time and moved the goal posts saying that the Sheriff would still have input in to the decision, effectively backing off of many allegations on this blog that it is the sheriff’s office is fault for the contract.
Zinke also pointed out that there is a lot of misinformation surrounding the ICE contract stating that the statistic sources Mr. Prim was using are entirely false. Prim never responded to this claim.
Prim had a great argument when he said that Keith Nygren was not originally from McHenry County. But this was largely a misnomer as Zinke pointed out he had spent time in the community and forged relationships with many of the other departments. Prim, and I quote said, “I have worked with all… well most of the agencies in government [in my career.]” Short on the details, Prim resulted to general brush strokes of “cut spending, eliminate waste, boost morale” as his goals for the department. Andy got into specifics, but to the casual observer, may have come off as a bit confusing because he did say so much.
Zinke had a great point about the importance of social media in the Sheriff office and being more technologically oriented. During the same question, Prim began on a ramble about how it was important for Volunteers to be part of the sheriff office when he was asked the same question of technology. Zinke asked for more time and said that he would keep to the technology question, rebuttling some of Prims points on the technology question.
Lasting thoughts:
Andy Zinke came off a bit robotic at times and spoke a bit too fast for some of the old folks at home. Prim came of rather monotone and was actually chewing gum as the debate began, which came off as rather unprofessional – especially for someone who would be looking over a 36 million county agency. Zinke was very detailed in his responses and proved a very great understanding of the department as it is today. Prim tried to point faults in Zinke even in his closing argument instead of propping himself up, yet, to the casual observer, Prim’s examples may have proved a bit confusing because he never really went on to explain WHAT the Rita Corp situation was or what the deal was with petitioners having complaints filed against them in the Sheriff office.
Prim’s body language was rather dismissive, condescending and his voice monotone. Zinke, though quick with the tongue was a bit too defensive at times, yet proved an immense understanding of the department compared to Prim. And Prim, despite a large stack of paper next to him that he only referenced the first sheet a total of four times, wrote few notes, and seemed a bit out of place. I would agree with Gary Rabine’s previous analysis that “Prim is no politician.” That said, after this debate, Zinke proved not only his mastery of the McHenry County Sheriff’s office, but also that of public life with his mastery of the stage and having keenly pointed out that Bill Prim has not contacted ANY of the local police chief’s in the area. Overall, it definitely seemed like Zinke won with Prim finishing yards behind.
Thank you for the synopsis. I wonder what slant Cal will put on if.
I’m sure Xal dill say Prim was the clear winner.
Nice to see you pointed out flaws on both sides.
Which I could attend or see the debate.
“FairPlay” Zinke did not take the high road. He owes our community an explanation about the Rita Corporation fiasco, that famous middle finger, his wife’s f bomb, why he shut down Cal’s blog and more. More like a wimps way out… Andy claims that the things people have been saying about about him are bogus… That’s a statement an immature child would make, not a grown man.
Zinkes demeanor was guarded as if he is hiding himself from public scrutiny…
You said–>
“Zinke proved not only is he mastery of the McHenry County Sheriff’s office, but also that of public life with his mastery of the stage”
He has “NOT” demonstrated a mastery of the Mchenry County Sheriffs office. The morale in the Sheriffs Department is very low and Andy refuses to admit it. The only thing he has proven about his mastery of public life is that he is a Master manipulator that does not accept responsibility for anything, including that infamous middled finger of his and his wives potty mouth.. He also demonstrated that he is a “Master of Deception” What you see with Andy Zinke is not what you really get. He is so charming “NOT” Further, you are correct when you say he loves the stage. After all, he has had plenty of time to practice on stage for the Nygren and Zinke Circus. One side show attraction after another. And, still Andy has not learned his lesson and there are always more Zinke antics to come.
Prim was professional and honest about his intentions to turn around the Sheriffs Department. He is our “Greatest Hope” for change in McHenry County. If anyone was condescending it was Andy Zinke..
Andy Zinke=
Master Manipulator.
Master of Deception.
Master of Games
Master of Disguise
Master of Puppets
Master of Clowns
“GulfGulf” You Big Fat Wimp with no balls… The only hole in one you will be making is with Pyle. You would make awesome “Cell Buddies” Hey you will even score.
You are welcome. It was a spirited contest. The Moderator wasn’t as liberal with the time as I thought she would be as there were times that I wish both candidates could have had a second rebuttal.
Prim was quite keen to point out his job as a supervisor, but was less than genuine in admitting that he currently works as a security officer part time. Andy mentioned all of the jobs he has held in the department in his career – possibly ad nauseum. Andy sometimes was a bit wordy and got caught in the weeds a bit with his responses as well he ran short a few times early on in the debate and was cut off by moderators. Prim was slow and methodical in his speaking, but almost to point of boredom. He definitely did not come of as likable. Despite the moderator saying that audience reaction should be held to the end, the only of the two candidates to elicit any chuckles was Andy near the end.
I could go on, but am interested to see what Cal days tomorrow. All biases aside, in the many years I have watched debates, be they federal, state, or local, I’ve come to understand the importance of sticking to the questions, keeping answers clear, yet without to much hyperbole and vitriol, as well, understand the Importance of likability.
I think Undersheriff Zinke was the most likable guy on the stage as Prim came off a bit granola, Zinke stuck to the points better than Prim who tended to meander a bit and seemed underprepared – though Prim did have a few good zingers like I said in my previous analysis (how Nygren wasn’t from Mchenry county, same sad Prim.)
Nevertheless, both gentlemen would do a superb job at representing the county and truthfully, we should be honored that they are the choices we have. Both men have a commitment to safety, both have years experience in law enforcement and, though I have come to greatly despise many of the Prim supporters on this blog, I respect the man Bill Prim is and think he is one hell of a person who definitely believes in doing the right thing. That said, tonight was Andy Zinke’s night.
So Duncan, what was your favorite question that the moderator asked the two candidates and can you give me an analysis for why either of the men did a better job than the other?
Because my bullshit detector is going off.
I don’t even think you watched the debate.
GulfGuy, you are doing tremendously well and we all appreciate your contribution to the world of reality.
Also, Zinke has answered about the middle finger parade scandal.
There was an entire Trib article about it.
Zinke has had to answer for the Rita Corp situation.
There was a report about it.
Zinke did give a reason for shutting down the blog. He Cal was violating the terms of service of the blog.
Cal wrote about I it.
What more do you want Duncan? You are beating a rotting, smelly dead horse.
Duncan, you use the same phrases and idioms all the time – to ad nausem – how about analysis beyond what your emotions dictate? Did you even take time to read what it is I wrote? It was fair.
“Fair Play” You are clearly not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
It is because of you, the “bull Shit Detector’ went off.
With that said tonight was Bill Prims night…
Everyone fully expected Andy to explain his role in the RIta Corporations fiasco and his unscrupulous behavior during his campaign..
Instead, he betrayed the people of McHenry County by not acknowledging the issues…..
“Fukoku” Who’s reality yours? WOW!
You continue to be delusional and stay in your fantasy world.
But in the mean time, go take your meds.
“Fair Play” you go ahead and rationalize your fantasy world.
There is no excuse for Andy’s behavior.
Just because no one has held him accountable and he has not accepted personal responsibility for his actions, does not mean he is innocent.
Far from it..
Duncan McCrazy, in all your ramblings you got one word right.
That word was ..WOW.
You can accuse Fair Play of not being the sharpest knife in the drawer. Here it comes……WOW!
Based upon your keen analysis and assessment using your own analogy you rank right up there with a hammer, a ball-peen hammer at that.
Fair Play obviously has a well rounded command of our language, whereas you resort to the vernacular of some poorly educated,un-cultured thug.
Oh by the way, thanks for playing Cupid but I already have a date.
Maybe you should go visit inmate Pyle and rekindle your relationship.
Duncan, you are going to have to tighten the tin foil hat a bit.
Prim had a few prepped one line zingers but basically came off as a part time security guard wanting to be Sheriff while constantly looking befuddled when Zinke explained the details of why the alleged data behind Prim’s attacks simply wasn’t accurate and how whomever fed it to Prim misunderstood what they thought they had.
Prim looked to be stuck just repeating the same attack lines as he didn’t appear to understand the issues enough to even respond to Zinke’s explanations to him of the actual data and budget items.
The public is still waiting for the report, of course.
GulfGuy your comment at 11:50 last night was ugly.
The Sheriff’s Department protected him, promoted him and then treated him with white gloves.
Now you go and have a private visit with him.
Pyle must be your man.
Gotta admit that GulfGuy hit below the belt on that one another. It seems that we all tend to veer towards ad hominem attacks when we get riled up. It’s a shame but it happens. That said, if you look back at Duncan’s posts (and I’m trying very hard not to fall in the trap I just mentioned) you would be hard pressed to find even a single post that does not come across as a rant without any substantive information being imparted. Every single post seems to vilify either somebody at the sheriff’s department or another poster. “You’re corrupt, they’re corrupt. He violated the law, the feds are coming, the Russians are coming” Woe unto them that say ANYTHING that doesn’t follow his lead and you’ll see just how juvenile and moronic his posts are. If he has all this information, he should roll it out. Enough of his “It’s true, but if I shared it with you I’d have to kill you” nonsense. It’s time for him and others to put up or shut up. But that won’t happen and we all know it.
Lacking any real substance the Prim Campaign has devolved into name calling and a bunch of vague implied accusations with no substantiation. It isn’t pretty. Sadly watching Prim on stage last night I started getting the impression he had just been fed a bunch of bad information by a handful of disgruntled former employees and a couple power brokers that want to try to consolidate power in the county and he honestly doesn’t realize how much of it simply doesn’t add up. Thus now he looks likes he just feels cornered and lashes out with vague personal attack talking points whenever confronted with issues.
“GulfGuy” Is this what this is about trying to prove that you all have a better command of the english language? WOW! you are feeling inadequate and threatened by the Prim crown. You need a lesson on how to arrange your priorities. The real issue, is that Andy Zinke did not address the real issues concerning his campaign, like the way he has conducted himself during his famous Circus and that “BIG FAT HOLE” he has dug. He did not talk about Rita Corporation, that middle finger go his, his wives f bomb, shutting down Cal’s blog and there was no proof presented to show that he has a college degree… He didn’t even talk about his college degree. In my opinion, he has made McHenry County look like a complete mockery, just like his own campaign. The truth of the matter is, the people of McHenry County would be better served if Andy just buried is head in the sand and didn’t come back up for air… March 18, 2014
I want to post my debate synopsis again because it has seemed to have gotten lost in the Duncan McHenry Gish Gallop.
To begin, Mr Prim came out attacking Zinke immediately. Bill came off as rather cold and his initial indictments about Rita as well allegations concerning petitions being circulated were never responded to by Zinke. Zinke took the high road and decided to focus his opening statement on what made him qualified.
When asked by he was qualified later in the debate, Mr. Prim didn’t point to any qualifications, rather he decided to say he was qualified because he would be able to ask within the department from other officers what needs to be done and then went on a ramble about cost savings saying that there was a 5,000% increase in budgetting at the Sherriff office, which Zinke later pointed out was primarily related to if an officer wants time to take off for his family (i.e. if an officer had a baby and needed time off.)
There were moments in the debate where the two candidates actually agreed on issues. For example: Both candidates believed that there should not be additional juvenile detention at the sheriff office. As well, they both agreed that social media was a great opportunity to enhance the sheriff’s ability to serve the community. Finally, both candidates agreed that THEY would be better as Sheriff in McHenry County!
All joking aside, Zinke coldly pointed out that Prim overexaggerated how much money he personally brought into his former department by stating that the 9 million dollars was a multi-department operation and to say Prim brought 9 million all in was an insult to other offices. Prim never responded to this point.
Mr. Prim attacked Andy for the ICE contract. Zinke responded that it was the responsibility of the County Board to negotiate this contract – which is true as Kevin Craver pointed out on Twitter. Prim asked for additional time and moved the goal posts saying that the Sheriff would still have input in to the decision, effectively backing off of many allegations on this blog that it is the sheriff’s office is fault for the contract.
Zinke also pointed out that there is a lot of misinformation surrounding the ICE contract stating that the statistic sources Mr. Prim was using are entirely false. Prim never responded to this claim.
Prim had a great argument when he said that Keith Nygren was not originally from McHenry County. But this was largely a misnomer as Zinke pointed out he had spent time in the community and forged relationships with many of the other departments. Prim, and I quote said, “I have worked with all… well most of the agencies in government [in my career.]” Short on the details, Prim resulted to general brush strokes of “cut spending, eliminate waste, boost morale” as his goals for the department. Andy got into specifics, but to the casual observer, may have come off as a bit confusing because he did say so much.
Zinke had a great point about the importance of social media in the Sheriff office and being more technologically oriented. During the same question, Prim began on a ramble about how it was important for Volunteers to be part of the sheriff office when he was asked the same question of technology. Zinke asked for more time and said that he would keep to the technology question, rebuttling some of Prims points on the technology question.
Lasting thoughts:
Andy Zinke came off a bit robotic at times and spoke a bit too fast for some of the old folks at home. Prim came of rather monotone and was actually chewing gum as the debate began, which came off as rather unprofessional – especially for someone who would be looking over a 36 million county agency. Zinke was very detailed in his responses and proved a very great understanding of the department as it is today. Prim tried to point faults in Zinke even in his closing argument instead of propping himself up, yet, to the casual observer, Prim’s examples may have proved a bit confusing because he never really went on to explain WHAT the Rita Corp situation was or what the deal was with petitioners having complaints filed against them in the Sheriff office.
Prim’s body language was rather dismissive, condescending and his voice monotone. Zinke, though quick with the tongue was a bit too defensive at times, yet proved an immense understanding of the department compared to Prim. And Prim, despite a large stack of paper next to him that he only referenced the first sheet a total of four times, wrote few notes, and seemed a bit out of place. I would agree with Gary Rabine’s previous analysis that “Prim is no politician.” That said, after this debate, Zinke proved not only his mastery of the McHenry County Sheriff’s office, but also that of public life with his mastery of the stage and having keenly pointed out that Bill Prim has not contacted ANY of the local police chief’s in the area. Overall, it definitely seemed like Zinke won with Prim finishing yards behind.
(I posted below text in an additional comment a few more things I remembered. And also thanks GulfGuy for appreciating the time it took for me to out this together.)
You are welcome. It was a spirited contest. The Moderator wasn’t as liberal with the time as I thought she would be as there were times that I wish both candidates could have had a second rebuttal.
Prim was quite keen to point out his job as a supervisor, but was less than genuine in admitting that he currently works as a security officer part time. Andy mentioned all of the jobs he has held in the department in his career – possibly ad nauseum. Andy sometimes was a bit wordy and got caught in the weeds a bit with his responses as well he ran short a few times early on in the debate and was cut off by moderators. Prim was slow and methodical in his speaking, but almost to point of boredom. He definitely did not come of as likable. Despite the moderator saying that audience reaction should be held to the end, the only of the two candidates to elicit any chuckles was Andy near the end.
I could go on, but am interested to see what Cal days tomorrow. All biases aside, in the many years I have watched debates, be they federal, state, or local, I’ve come to understand the importance of sticking to the questions, keeping answers clear, yet without to much hyperbole and vitriol, as well, understand the Importance of likability.
I think Undersheriff Zinke was the most likable guy on the stage as Prim came off a bit granola, Zinke stuck to the points better than Prim who tended to meander a bit and seemed underprepared – though Prim did have a few good zingers like I said in my previous analysis (how Nygren wasn’t from Mchenry county, same sad Prim.)
Nevertheless, both gentlemen would do a superb job at representing the county and truthfully, we should be honored that they are the choices we have. Both men have a commitment to safety, both have years experience in law enforcement and, though I have come to greatly despise many of the Prim supporters on this blog, I respect the man Bill Prim is and think he is one hell of a person who definitely believes in doing the right thing. That said, tonight was Andy Zinke’s night.
“Fair Play’ You need a good laugh, go look at yourself in the mirror….lol…. I wouldn’t want that job… The funny thing is, you actually believe what you are saying.. One scary person you are. Apparently, you believe you can fool all of the people all of the time… “NOT” You really do have some twisted ideas about your version of the debate. Your opinion is laughable. You sound like an over zealous sports announcer giving play by play of events and calling it as you see it and not how it really is.. Zinke did not address the issues, you know it and all of McHenry County knows it.. He “BETRAYED THE PUBLIC TRUST” again.. Where is the Rita Corporation report, where is proof that he has a College degree? How does he explain his behavior during his own campaign? He doesn’t. Time to take Sheriffs office back and put into the hands of people who can get the job done according the the needs of the people. Vote for Bill Prim March 18, 2014.. By Andy…
Mr Skinner. I repeat my question to you: ”Do you honestly, genuinely believe that Undersheriff Andy Zinke or Rita Corp were involved in the operations of a Mexican trucking company that was subcontracted out to transport legally purchased chemicals from Mexico to Mchenry county by another Mexican company Rita bought chemicals from? It’s simple: YES or NO? What does your gut tell you? Zinke is part of the Zetas? Or the Zetas used a truck that was supposed to just carry chemicals to also carry a clandestine shipment? Final question, Do you believe that if you were a drug cartel, you would put the actual destination of drugs on the manifest? Mr, Skinner, this is your credibility at risk if you choose to not respond. Your silence will be deafening,
“Fair Play” You are definitely twisted..
Trying to get Cal to slander himself on his own blog….
WOW!
The Regime is getting desperate by the minute…
He owes you nothing..
Though, Cal has done a great job getting the information to the public….
You never thought the people would find out about the “Regime” Your arrogance was your biggest down fall…..
The people will take back the McHenry County Sheriffs office March 18, 2014
Depositions in Rockford.
The truth about Andy Zinke and the “Regime” to be revealed at a McHenry County Theatre near you….
I am amazed that while Duncan McHenry composes his responses generally with nothing but attacks toward anyone that disagrees with his warped views of life in McHenry County, however when someone strikes back to his direct attacks they are hitting below the belt.
I could not attend the debate but would have if possible.
The succinct recap by Fair Play was well done and much appreciated.
He appeared fair and balanced even giving kudos to Bill Prim.
I also agree that Cal should come clean and quit dancing around the issues by categorically stating if he feels there was some criminality in the Zinke/ Rita/ Goode/ DEA situation.
(As Samuel L Jackson would say): I don’t remember asking you a goddamn thing [Duncan].
Mr. Skinner, the Northwest Herald front page states that the Rita ‘fiasco’ has been largely discredited.
Will you continue to perpetrate that lie?
Considering how they reported on the Lou Bianchi story, I do not lend any credibility to the Northwest Herald…
I am not willing to perpetuate any lie.
However, the fact that the report on the Rita Corporation fiasco has not been released shows they have something to hide…
Nygren is fighting to prevent Pete Gonigam from having the report.
If they had nothing to hide the report would be released…
Actions speak louder than words…
Release the report and prove you have nothing to hide…
So are you saying Lou Bianchi is a liar for finding no wrongdoing and not prosecuting Zinke?
“Fair Play” If you can’t read what I said, go back to grade school.
Lou Bianchi is not a liar.
Hmmm Don Liest….
Excellent Fair Play!
So Duncan, by your own admission, because you said Lou is not a liar to my statement, ‘So are you saying Lou Bianchi is a liar for finding no wrongdoing and not prosecuting Zinke?’
That would mean Zinke did nothing wrong concerning Rita! BOOM!
Even if you so get the report, DUNCAN. Mchenry, the biggest, baddest, meanest commentor on the McBlog has today stated ZINKE DID NOTHING WRONG and Cal Skinner has sat back the whole day silent due to me calling out his incessant incinuation concerning the DEA investigation being connected to Andy.
His silence is an admission itself.
Today is a good day.
Now pardon me while to go celebrate by setting off fireworks.
“Fair Play” Your arguments are not valid, just twisted..
And, just because Andy was not prosecuted does not make him innocent…
I never said Zinke did nothing wrong.
Allowing Andy and Kim Zinke to run the McHenry County Sheriffs office would be like allowing Andy to be President of the United States and Kim Zinke as first lady.
Yikes!
The terrorists would take over the White House.
Please from above, do not allow us to be subject to more of Andy and Kim Zinke.
We have all been punished enough…
Fireworks? Now you are having illusions…
It was a joke Duncan.
Just like you.
Sure hope your not working on Government time?
Someone told me you have been invited to a deposition party?…
Alright! Let the games begin!… lol… Y
ou might have some explaining to do in regards to how you use your time when you are suppose to working..
‘Someone’ huh?
Are you handwriting the invites to that deposition, Duncan? or is Scott Milliman? Shared opinion with many, but you seem to write in the same style, grab onto a word that you like, as in Regime and beat it to death.
I understand that Scott claimed he was involved in a weight lifting regime, around the time he had a workers comp claim… is that what you’re talking about Duncan? or should we just call you Scott?
Duncan, you are clueless. Same rhetoric over and over. As truthful says, the same writing style. Good observation Truthful.
I remember someone else that sitting on the witness stand and had to admit he was a certain infamous blogger.
I wonder what will happen in federal court when someone asks the identity of Duncan McHenry.
I’m just supposing , the old spitball guess.
You have said some nasty things there Duncan.
Slanderous stuff….
Blog files are discoverable.
Remember when kids play hide’n-go-seek?
“Ollie,Ollie in come free……”
better run for home Duncan.
Something tells me we’ve seen the end of Duncan McHenry
“Gulf Guy” and “Fair Play” You two are “Paranoid” and clueless….
I am not Scott…
If you were smart enough to notice, talk about pending litigation and depositions is on the internet.
There will never be an end to Duncan Mchenry…lol….
Seems to me, you have so many other things to worry about.
Like, what is Pyle saying and who will be his next cell buddies…
Surely, “GulfGuy” you have always dreamed of that hole in one…
Greg Pyle, will help you score….
Next time, you two start having more of those auditory hallucinations, listen carefully, your donuts are calling you..
I didn’t say you were Scott and I’m hardly clueless.
But if you want to continue to use the old school yard retort, “NO, YOU ARE!”
It’s fine by me. I’ll sleep just fine at night.
Alas,
Thou words shall not crack my noble heart.
Good-night, sweet prince;
And blights of Prim sing thee to thy rest.
Reading these last few comments makes me believe Duncan McHenry is actually forlorn and pining away for Pyle. All his sarcastic innuendo themed references to holes.
I would love to join in the game, but no need to.
You all are doing exceptionally well in crushing my opponent Duncan, very well done!
Fukoku is proud of all of you and is honored to call you my friends.