Stanard Criticizes Tirio Campaign Pledge

A message from Woodstock resident Michael Stanard:

Tirio.  Who do you think you’re kidding?

Michael Stanard greeting a friend at the Marengo Settlers Days Parade when he ran for County Board in District 6.

Michael Stanard greeting a friend at the Marengo Settlers Days Parade when he ran for County Board in District 6.

You will not be able to unilaterally eliminate Recorder of Deeds office. That’s not how things work and you know it.

Eliminating that office, or any of the other 6,963 Illinois units of government, would require a years-long, extremely difficult if not impossible, alignment process far beyond any effort you could mount.
Are you attempting to hoodwink the voters?  Is your promise a ploy intended to purposefully mislead?
Here’s why I’m suspicious:
First and foremost, you have no experience or qualifications for the office. Can you blame a guy for questioning your motives?
Voters should realize that if you fool them into electing you to office, you will collect the $105,000.00 salary, the first year.  The second year, the total would rise to $210,000.00. The third year would total $315,000.00.
And, by the end of the first term you would have collected a cool $420.000.00, paid for with taxpayer dollars.
All along you can claim: “I did my darndest to eliminate the Recorder’s office”. “ I just couldn’t get others to cooperate.”
The voters in McHenry County are not as credulous as you seem to think. Are you are trying to trick us Joe?

Comments

Stanard Criticizes Tirio Campaign Pledge — 43 Comments

  1. It requires a citizen referendum.

    Two reasons this should originate with an elected Recorder:

    He will have done the due diligence, first hand, to ascertain that the office is indeed a ceremonial position.

    He will have the clout to get the referendum on the ballot.

  2. Thank you Mr. Stanard, yet again, for showing your jaundiced ignorance! (my opinion).

    Thank you Susan for adding the intelligent response.

    Mr. Standard (IMHO) represents the ‘old guard’ which will stoop to new levels in an attempt to control the County GOP.

  3. Who are you trying to hoodwink Michael Stanard?

    Adams County – No Recorder
    Alexander County – No Recorder
    Bond County – No Recorder
    Boone County – No Recorder
    Brown County – No Recorder
    Bureau County – No Recorder
    Calhoun County – No Recorder
    Carroll County – No Recorder
    Cass County – No Recorder
    Campaign County – ELECTED RECORDER
    Christian County – No Recorder
    Clark County – No Recorder
    Clay County – No Recorder
    Clinton County – No Recorder
    Coles County – No Recorder
    Cook County – ELECTED RECORDER
    Crawford County – No Recorder
    Cumberland County – No Recorder
    DeKalb County – No Recorder
    DeWitt County – No Recorder
    Douglas County – No Recorder
    Dupage County – ELECTED RECORDER
    Edgar County – No Recorder
    Edwards County – No Recorder
    Effingham County – No Recorder
    Fayette County – No Recorder
    Ford County – No Recorder
    Franklin County – No Recorder
    Fulton County – No Recorder
    Gallatin County – No Recorder
    Greene County – No Recorder
    Grundy County – No Recorder
    Hamilton County – No Recorder
    Hancock County – No Recorder
    Hardin County – No Recorder
    Henderson County – No Recorder
    Henry County – No Recorder
    Iroquis County – No Recorder
    Jackson County – No Recorder
    Jasper County – No Recorder
    Jefferson County – No Recorder
    Jersey County – No Recorder
    JoDaviess County – No Recorder
    Johnson County – No Recorder
    Kane County – ELECTED RECORDER
    Kankakee County – ELECTED RECORDER
    Kendall County – No Recorder
    Knox County – ELECTED RECORDER
    Lake County – ELECTED RECORDER
    LaSalle County – ELECTED RECORDER
    Lawrence County – No Recorder
    Lee County County – No Recorder
    Livingston County – No Recorder
    Logan County – No Recorder
    Macon County – No Recorder
    Macoupin County – No Recorder
    Madison County – ELECTED RECORDER
    Marion County – No Recorder
    Marshall County – No Recorder
    Mason County – No Recorder
    Massac County – No Recorder
    McDonough County – No Recorder
    McHenry County – ELECTED RECORDER
    McLean County – ELECTED RECORDER
    Menard County – No Recorder
    Mercer County – No Recorder
    Monroe County – No Recorder
    Montgomery County – No Recorder
    Morgan County – No Recorder
    Moultrie County – No Recorder
    Ogle County – No Recorder
    Peoria County – ELECTED RECORDER
    Perry County – No Recorder
    Piatt County – No Recorder
    Pike County – No Recorder
    Pope County – No Recorder
    Pulaski County – No Recorder
    Putnam County – No Recorder
    Randolph County – No Recorder
    Richland County – No Recorder
    Rock Island County – ELECTED RECORDER
    Saline County – No Recorder
    Sagamon County – ELECTED RECORDER
    Schuyler County – No Recorder
    St. Clair County – ELECTED RECORDER
    Scott County – No Recorder
    Shelby County – No Recorder
    Stark County – No Recorder
    Stephenson County – No Recorder
    Tazwell County – ELECTED RECORDER
    Union County – No Recorder
    Vermilion County – ELECTED RECORDER
    Wabash County – No Recorder
    Warren County – No Recorder
    Washington County – No Recorder
    Wayne County – No Recorder
    White County – No Recorder
    Whiteside County – ELECTED RECORDER
    Will County – ELECTED RECORDER
    Williamson County – No Recorder
    Winnebago County – ELECTED RECORDER
    Woodford County – No Recorder

    Out of 102 counties 82 do not have an elected Recorder.

    Source: http://www.iaccr.net/MemberCountiesMain.html

    And then you have the gall to to go after experience and qualifications?

    How have all those professional politicians worked out for us? McHenry County pays the 29th highest property taxes… not in Illinois… BUT THE UNITED STATES. Thank you professional politicians. We couldn’t have done it without you. THANK GOD WE HAD THOSE PROFESSIONALS.

    Joni Smith does not have the private sector business qualifications of Joe Tirio. Tina Hill does not have the private sector business qualifications of Joe Tirio. Joe Tirio runs a private business where if he fails, he is homeless. Can the other candidates say the same? The other candidates do not come close in my opinion.

    Your argument is the same old… crap that comes from the same tired argument that only the government can save you. Can Mary McClellan work with Joe to combine the two offices if Joe is elected? She has a law degree and is a professional…

    …accept Algonquin 4 is the only precinct in Algonquin Township that doesn’t have a sample ballot yet. The other 67 precincts do.

    http://mchenry-il.connect.clarityelections.com/ballotfiles/2016Mar/ALGONQUIN%204%20-%20BALLOT%20STYLE%207-REP.pdf

    Who lives in Algonquin 4?

    I do not subscribe to quitting or not trying because something is “extremely difficult”. Maybe you do – but I do not… It simply isn’t in my nature, or Joe’s. No one said this would be easy but when good men and women come forward with bold ideas on how to save money you don’t sit there and complain about how hard something its – you go for it. Your line of logic is the reason Illinois and McHenry County are in the economic hell hole that it is.

    Joe Tirio for McHenry County Recorder.

    Andrew Gasser
    McHenry County Board, District 1

  4. Susan & Andrew:

    What excellent, fact-filled responses.

    Thank you.

  5. Haha, want some facts on Stainard?

    He does Tina Hill’s walk cards and wants her to stay in politics so he can continue to get jobs from her.

    He came up with a marketing Campaign for his town of Woodstock and was willing to GIVE it to them for nothing and they didn’t want it!! T

    hey hired some out of towner to do it for $134K!!!

    He is a bitter little man who can’t peddle his Barney-esque “creative” services let alone GIVE THEM AWAY.

    He also sees Tirio as competition because Tirio has helped other candidates with their campaign material, websites, signs so maybe this is a grudge match because people have requested Tirio work on their stuff leaving Stainard to sit twiddling his thumbs.

    Maybe he was really hoping to get a job from Hill at the Recorder’s office.

    After all his wife is on the govt. dole.

    But I really don’t see people dumb enough to vote that way.

    Tirio’s ironclad.

  6. So Andrew how’s it going on legislation to stop Nepotism and Patronage?

    Have you gone for it or sitting on it?

  7. Units of government come and go every year in Illinois.

    New ones are added.

    Existing ones are deleted.

    How difficult that is depends on the particular statute for that type of unit of government.

  8. Go for it Joe, but lets see the numbers and plan in writing before we try and go to vote this time.

    Last Consolidation thingy even you didn’t like so much.

  9. That’s right, Mark.

    It happens everyday.

    And Govt will shrink rather than grow if we elect the right people, Tirio being one of them.

    Stanard, If Hill put you up to this you ARE easily tricked, and She, is disingenuous.

    The upside is that you had to have learned something today.

    Too bad for you that this had to be such a PUBLIC pants-down type of spanking.

  10. The populated counties have a recorder.

    My thought was that he’d work to get the offices combined in 2020 and then run for the joint office

  11. First of all, Stanard is creating a straw man by bringing up the word “unilaterally”.

    I can’t recall Tirio ever saying he’s NOT going to bring his plan to the County Board.

    Second, to be lectured by the guy who brought up and pushed (successfully) the issue of an outdoor smoking ban about eliminating government is a joke.

    Third, if Joe were to be obstructed by people who do not want the consolidation, is that really a reason to not vote for him?

    If such a scenario were to happen, it would be more apt to give blame to the people who were actually doing the obstructing.

    His shop has a big old Tina Hill sign in front of it so this story doesn’t come as a surprise.

  12. Pablo, you should educate yourself and read Susan, Andrew, Mark and Cal’s responses.

    You might learn something along with Loser Candidate for County Board Dist 6 and his “client” Tina Hill and Tirio’s other opponent Jonie Smith, for that matter.

    Not one of you can fathom why Tirio would be willing to do due diligence and offer a plan to GIVE SOMETHING BACK to the County (instead of sucking off the govt. dole as nothing more than a ghost patroller.)

    But Heck, maybe he’s had time to devise this stellar plan because he hasn’t been bogged down with DUIs, Bankruptcies, Nepotism, Conflicts of Interest, Union Thuggery, More Nepotism, Restraining Orders, and bull$hitting people like his opponents have.

  13. Who is kidding who, indeed!

    When I saw this note first published in the newspaper, I mistook you for a citizen at-large who had misunderstood my message.

    Now, I know who you really are, Tina Hill’s Campaign Consultant.

    Here is a screenshot of Tina’s 7/1/2015 Quarterly report showing your business providing campaign consulting. http://snag.gy/jlZFk.jpg

    The questions you have posed have already been answered, and I have even offered to speak to you directly in case you had other questions.

    So, since you have not reached out to me directly and your message is nearly identical to that which you submitted to the paper, I must conclude that your note is not intended to elicit information, but rather, to create confusion and misinformation.

    What is saddest about this is not your weak attempt to discredit me, but rather that it appears that YOU are trying to trick the people of the County for the benefit of Tina Hill.

    In your own words (my emphasis) “The voters in McHenry County are not as credulous as YOU seem to think.”

    As I have already answered your note once in great detail, I will simply direct you to EraseTheRecorder.com for my qualifications, experience and more about the process to eliminate the role.

    But let me take a moment to expand on your math.

    You are very correct.

    The Recorder gets paid about $105,000 per year.

    You are also correct that if I stay in the office for the full term, I would be paid $420,000.

    So let’s see how it plays out if we elect your client, Tina Hill into office.

    She said she will limit herself to two terms, so that would be $840,000 in salary. T

    hen she would retire.

    Let’s make the reasonable assumption that she would live at least 20 more years.

    For easy math, let’s say she drew a $50,000/year pension (I think it would be substantially higher).

    That would be another $1,000,000 added to her $840,000 in salary.

    That’s nearly two million dollars!

    Suddenly, my $420K looks like quite a bargain.

    Oh, one more thing…

    As her Consultant, paid by her campaign committee, I would direct you to page 6 of the document titled “A Guide to Campaign Disclosure” published by our State Board of Elections. In the section titled “Disclosure in Political Communications” it says,

    “Any committee that makes an expenditure for any kind of communication directed at voters and mentioning the name of a candidate in the next upcoming election must ensure that the communication clearly identifies the committee as having paid for it.”

    In the future, you should be sure to include the “Paid for by Citizens to Elect Tina Hill” statement to ensure you don’t run afoul of campaign disclosure law.

    Tina doesn’t need THAT added to her list of troubles.

  14. The Mrs., you of all people, should know “size doesn’t matter”.

    BTW, Cook County is more than 17x the size of McHenry County and THEY are considering merging the recorders office functions with their County Clerk and eliminating the Elected Recorders role.

    To quote First Electric,

    “Tirio has committed News!”

    VOTE JOE TIRIO and let’s keep this momentum going, McHenry County!

  15. Andrew: Do not feel ‘singled out’.

    I just checked, ALG 1 and 2 have no Republican ballot posted yet either. I will spend some time checking others.

    Had our County Clerk done her job as well as Kane County has, she would have had ALL ballots posted by now.

    Her excuse that the delay was due to eligibility issues is just that, an excuse.

    Maybe she is covering for the poor job being done by the guy she said was the most qualified for doing the job?

    Her husband?

    The Clerk knew about posting problems on Friday.

    The posting is being done by a third party.

    Why are they not working all weekend to fix it?

    They fixed the street lookup problem but not the ballot posting issue.

    Will the current County Board Chairman address this serious problem?

    Voting is already underway and sample ballots are used by many!!

    Without a sample ballot how can anyone determine who to vote for as delegates? Delegates do not normally campaign!!

    BTW Vote for Tirio.

    He is the real deal.

  16. No sample Republican ballots for ALG 1 through ALG 9.

    There are ballots for ALG 10 through ALG 24.

    That is as far as I checked in ALG.

    No Republican ballots for Riley Township.

    There are Republican ballots for Alden.

    Remember voters, this ineptitude can carry over into how your votes are counted.

    The first indication of potential problems in the Clerk’s office appeared last year when election results were never posted by precinct!

    To this day it would appear I have no way find the detailed results by precinct.

    Hopefully Some County Board members will request the County Clerk to provide them in writing from the vendor who posts the ballots what the cause of the non-ballot posting is / was.

    This is a serious problem!!

  17. One more thing!

    The election results reported last year by McHenry County do appear to have come from a third party site – not the county computers.

    The same process was in place with the prior Clerk.

    I just checked the link (it is still active):

    http://results.enr.clarityelections.com/IL/McHenry/55315/152868/Web01/en/summary.html

    Based on the URL, I would say that the site is owned by Clarity Elections.

    Clarity Elections is the name used by a Company called SOE.

    SOE was acquired by SYCTL a few years ago.

    Both political parties should have poll watchers present when the votes are tabulated at the County.

    They should compare what is actually on the tape printouts at the precincts to what is posted by Clarity.

    In addition, poll watchers must observe the tabulation of Early votes, absentee and grace period votes.

  18. @Nick.

    No.

    Not at all correct.

    Sound like more FUD from the Hill campaign.

    Tina said two terms, I said I intended only one, but might add one ONLY if it was needed to complete the plan, but would prefer to find someone else that I could support rather than run again.

    Joni, at the Daily Herald interview started at two terms and then backed off a limit.

  19. How can anyone question Joe’s integrity?

    Taking shots for absolutely no logical reason.

    That’s why this county needs new leaders with new ideas, a person like Joe is desperately needed to start making changes.

    It’s almost too late people.

    We need new ideas and we need Joe…..

    NOW

  20. I am endorsing Joe, for one term only and he knows it as I told him so during my interview with him.

    He needs to get the consolidation done.

    Tom Anderson
    Precinct Committeeman
    Alg 22, The two two

  21. I will give Joe credit for this idea but I am sure this is something the county board has to vote on.

    And not hiring hire wife ok another good idea.

    Any one could run for an office with these statements. Mchenry County was and maybe still one of the fastest growing counties in the state.

    If we remove the Recorder some one will have to over see this department, a promotion from within the clerks office pay increase for some one still paying benefits.

    Hire some one to replace that person.

    Seeing a savings just not seeing big savings.

    I am sure who ever get elected will be running for re election in 4 years.

    This idea came up 5 years ago with the state, combining the Treasure and Comptroller and it never happened.

  22. Heather Spenard is the deputy recorder.

    She oversees everything now.

    The elected role of “Recorder” is merely a figurehead.

    The existing figurehead is hardly ever there!

    Tirio’s plan has the support of some on the board already and he’ll get this done.

    The savings are good and with momentum this could set a trend to responsible govt.

    Mark S, people are leaving this county and state en masse.

    We are no longer the fastest growing county.

    Our avg income is low, unemployment is high, too many are on govt. aid.

    The reason the Treasurer and Comptroller didn’t merge was because Judy Bar Topinka was a long term incumbent and didn’t want it to happen, then she died in office.

    THIS IS THE TIME to make this happen while the incumbent is no longer protecting her fiefdom!

    Did you read Andrew Gasser’s list above?

    I want our county on that list!

  23. When I ran against Roland Burris for State Comptroller, we both agreed the two offices should be combined, but he did nothing to further that campaign promise once he got in office.

  24. Chuck, Dan Rutherford and Judy were working on this together to merge the offices but opposition from the Democrats stopped it.

    I am in favor of less waste in government.

    I did read the list before my 1st posting.

    I am not sure about the County Board getting it done, The merge of townships didn’t happen the taxes for valley High are still in place.

    I would be glad to see some change it just doesn’t happen.

  25. It would appear that elimination of Recorder office can be done by the Board with a resolution to be placed on the ballot (won’t happen while Joe is in charge) OR a voter referendum petition can be circulated to get it on the ballot.

    I believe there is a high number of signatures required but I forget what it is.

    Excerpt from the State Constitution: ” (c) Each county shall elect a sheriff, county clerk and treasurer and may elect or appoint a coroner, recorder, assessor, auditor and such other officers as provided by law or by county ordinance. Except as changed pursuant to this Section, elected county officers shall be elected for terms of four years at general elections as provided by law. Any office may be created or eliminated and the terms of office and manner of selection changed by county-wide referendum.

    Offices other than sheriff, county clerk and treasurer may be eliminated and the terms of office and manner of selection changed by law. Offices other than sheriff, county clerk, treasurer, coroner, recorder, assessor and auditor may be eliminated and the terms of office and manner of selection changed by county ordinance.”

    Maybe Michael Stanard can give us his interpretation?

  26. Tina told us also that joe does not pay property taxes .

    Joe is that true?

    we heard the same story about andrew, but help me on this Tina does not pay property Taxes either.

    Tina do not throw stones when u live in a glass house!!

  27. What’s the truth on the property. The word at the coffee shop Joe business isn’t in the best finance.

  28. dont turn this around again Joe Tirio, Joe do u pay property Taxes were u live now?? im asking because i need to know who i will vote for.

  29. This question is for Andrew Gasser. do u pay property Taxes were u live at now?

  30. Joe Tirio your wife Karen charges you rent?

    Joe you do not pay property taxes in McHenry County!!!

  31. LOL Stanard is that idiot who ran Galt Airport into the ground!

    He wanted to turn it into a Woodstock Concert ‘revival’ Crap Hole!

  32. WOW Tirio continues to do his homework!

    This is great. Stanard has been revealed for the biased putz he is!

    And Yes Stanard DID turn Galt into a crap hole for awhile.

    It’s being run by very capable folks now, running a top flight school out of it, winning awards, ….and doing very well now that Stanard has nothing to do with it.

    His idiotic rant is probably garnering more votes for Tirio.

    Just because he doesn’t understand Tirio’s plan is proof that Stanard should stay out of politics.

    He was probably hoping for a desk job if his candidate/client won.

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